Search, Ponder & Pray

I love being a member of my faith. I belong to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I love being a Christian. I love having the whole truth and knowing the Gospel. The beautiful thing of the Gospel is it's simplicity. One thing I do have an issue with are those who call me and others of my faith unbiblical, and not Christian and that we believe in a different Jesus Christ and that we do not believe or understand the true nature of God. To them I say, you could not be farther from the truth.

I have many good friends and some family members who are of other faiths, and are good people trying to do the best with the knowledge that they have. Unfortunetly, almost all of them have their faith rooted in false teaching. The teaching of the "Holy Trinity". Would it surprise you to know that one of the most prominent doctrines in Christianity today have no basis in scripture? The doctrine of the "Holy Trinity" considered by many to be essential to one's very salvation. If so does that not make the Atonment of Christ is vain?The trinity Is not found in Christianity until at least three hundred years AFTER the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Even more shocking is the fact that the concept of a triune godhead likely comes from the traditions of paganism!

It is hard for me to understand why so many people believe in something that is not even taught in the Bible. To those who are believers in the Trinty, I ask you to actually question this belief. Go to our Heavenly Father in prayer and ask him if that teaching is the truth, and do so in the name of His son who is Jesus Christ and as that the Holy Ghost testify of that truth to you.

When you are truly learning new things it can be scary but it forces you to look at what you believe and make sure it is in fact EXACTLY what you claim to believe in and follow. That way there can never be a doubt in your mind. My goal in writting this is from my own studying and my own purpose of putting all of my thoughts on the subject into words. Let's look at the Trinity.

Keep in mind that there are many sincere believers in the trinity doctrine and not all are just mindless followers of a tradition. While there are numerous scriptures that show Jesus to be just who he said he was, the SON of God, there are a handful of New Testament scriptures that might, IF taken out of context, cause one to conclude that Jesus is himself God. We of course know that this is not true.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does not hold the contemporary Christian view of God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost it is not a comment about our commitment to Christ but rather a recognition (very accurate, I might add) that our view of the Godhead breaks with post–New Testament Christian history and returns to the doctrine taught by Jesus Himself. Now, a word about that post–New Testament history might be a little helpful.

In the year a.d. 325 the Roman emperor Constantine convened the Council of Nicaea to address—among other things—the growing issue of God’s alleged “trinity in unity.” What emerged from the heated contentions of churchmen, philosophers, and ecclesiastical dignitaries came to be known (after another 125 years and three more major councils)4 as the Nicene Creed, with later reformulations such as the Athanasian Creed. These various evolutions and iterations of creeds—and others to come over the centuries—declared the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost to be abstract, absolute, transcendent, immanent, consubstantial, coeternal, and unknowable, without body, parts, or passions and dwelling outside space and time. In such creeds all three members are separate persons, but they are a single being, the oft-noted “mystery of the trinity.” They are three distinct persons, yet not three Gods but one. All three persons are incomprehensible, yet it is one God who is incomprehensible.

I agree with our critics on at least that point—that such a formulation for divinity is truly incomprehensible. With such a confusing definition of God being imposed upon the church, little wonder that a fourth-century monk cried out, “Woe is me! They have taken my God away from me, … and I know not whom to adore or to address.” How are we to trust, love, worship, to say nothing of strive to be like, One who is incomprehensible and unknowable? What of Jesus’s prayer to His Father in Heaven that “this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent”?


The organized church was built (Roman Catholic/Catholic) on top of these creeds. The creeds were and are the foundation for many of today's churches/denominations. These denominations are different to the Body of Christ spoken of in the scriptures. This shows us that most denominations are still rooted in a creed and in particular the Trinity doctrine. Most denominations still have the Trinity doctrine as a foundation.

The mother of these denominations the Roman Catholic Church murdered approximately 50 million people, had armies and banned access to scripture to Christians. This time is known today as the Dark Ages. Some relief came during the Reformation where the teachings and authority of the Catholic Church were challenged. The Reformation restored many truths back to the Body of Christ.

As a result many new denominations started up and unfortunately they held onto some of the creeds and in particular the Trinity doctrine. From a historical point of view it seems strange to me that one of the pillars of Christianity didn't come into existence or wasn't recognized until 300 years after the death of Christ. On this point alone, I think its strange that people are encouraged not to question this doctrine and worse still, the circumstances in which this doctrine came about should lead any clear thinking person to be at least suspicious.

Now it is not my purpose to demean any person’s belief nor the doctrine of any religion. Iwant to extend to all the same respect for their doctrine that I am asking for ours. That,is an article of our faith and what we belive as memebers of my faith. But if one says that I or others of my same faith are not Christians because we do not hold a 4th or 5th century view of the Godhead, then what of those first Christian Saints, many of whom were eyewitnesses of the living Christ, who did not hold such a view either?

Christ in his own words claims to be the SON of God.According to the Apostle John, "God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten SON." (John 3:16) If Jesus was "begotten" some other being must have "beget" him. According to Webster's Dictionary, "Beget" means to be the "FATHER OR TO SIRE. To bring into being." This being the case, a higher power must have created Jesus.

In examining the account of creation as written in the book of Genesis, it is clear that the Heavenly Father instructed Christ in the creation process along with Micheal.Heavenly Father (GOD) said to Christ "Let US make man in our image, according to our likeness, let them have dominion over the the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." (Genesis 1:26).

The gospel of the Apostle John tells us that "All things were made THROUGH him, Jesus Christ and without him nothing was made that was made." (John 1:3).

"THE WORD WAS GOD" In JOHN 1:1 For centuries, a poor translation of John 1:1, as well as a misunderstanding of biblical usage for the word "god," has caused millions to wrongly believe in the trinity. In most Bibles, John 1:1 reads "In the beginning was the Word, and the word was with God, and the Word was God." This scripture is the cornerstone of Trinitarian creed.One that has been told to me numerous times by those who are firm believers in the Trinity. BUT....

HOW SHOULD JOHN 1:1 BE TRANSLATED? The first argument in refuting this interpretation is an appeal to common sense. How could the Word be with God and be God at the same time? If the point here was to say that the Word was God, why bother saying that he was with him? Would the passage make more sense to say (In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was in all things God?) The very word structure of this passage provides strong evidence for mistranslation.

Further proof that the doctrine of the trinity is false lies in the book of 1st John. Trinitarians have used the words of 1st John 5:7-8 as a key argument for the trinity. "For there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one." There is an enormous problem however in using these verses to bolster the trinity doctrine. The passage is not authentic! These words only appear in five later manuscripts and are not found in any of the earlier New Testament texts. These verses are such obvious forgeries that even staunch Trinitarian scholars have been forced to admit as much. Among them are the publishers of the New King James translation and various study bibles.

Ok let's take a look at 1st John 5:7-8 in its true context "For there are three who bear witness, the spirit, the water, and the blood, and these things agree as one."

Upon seeing how these verses are intended to read, it is clear that in no way do they offer a credible argument for the trinity. Now examine verse 9 "If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God that he has testified in his SON Jesus Christ." Clearly these passages are talking about two separate beings, Our Heavenly Father and his only begotten SON Jesus Christ.

Supporters of the trinity often quote the words of Jesus in JOHN 10:30 "I and the Father are one" as proof for Jesus being God in the flesh. Once again they take the words of Jesus completely out of context. If one examines Christ in his own words later on in the very same gospel of John, he explains this oneness.

On the night of his arrest the Lord prayed in the garden of Gethsemane. He prayed fervently for the well being of his Apostles. He asks God that "they all may be ONE, as you Father, are in me, and I in you; that they also may be ONE in us, that the world may believe that you sent me. And the glory which you gave me I have given them, and that they may be ONE just as we are ONE." (John 17:21-22)

Clearly Christ was not asking his Father to make his apostles one in the same person. He was requesting that they be one in THOUGHT, PURPOSE, & DEED. Jesus Christ is our savior and Heavnly Father,is his God and our God, they are indeed one, but it is a oneness in their mission. This oneness of purpose can be compared to having a President and a Vice President. They are not the same literal persons, but they are one in representing the office of the Presidency.

Trinitarians use the words of the Apostle Thomas upon seeing Jesus following his resurrection "My Lord and my God." (John (20:28) as proof that Jesus was his own Father. Jesus in his resurrected condition was the head of the Christian church and was truly Thomas' Lord and ruler.

One thing that is soo important in this whole discussion is that Jesus never once claimed to be God. If Jesus Christ was God, his own father, why didn't he come out and say so?

Why did he come up with such a confusing doctrine known as the trinity? In all cases Jesus Christ speaks of his Father being his superior. Here are just a few scriptures, "As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father." (John 6:57) "My doctrine is not mine but his who sent me." (John 7:16) "For the Father judges no one, but committed all judgment to the SON." (John 5:22) "And I bestow upon you a kingdom, just as my Father bestowed one upon me." (Luke 22:29) "All authority has been given to me in Heaven and on earth." (Matthew 28:18) "All things have been delivered to me by my Father" (John 11:27) "In this love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his son to be a propitiation for our sins." (1st John 4:10)

Throughout Jesus' earthly ministry he claimed to be subjected to the will of his Father. When speaking to his apostles the night before he was put to death, he said, "You have heard me say to you, I am going away and coming back to you. If you loved me, you would rejoice because I said, I am going to the Father, for my FATHER IS GREATER THAN I." (John 14:28)


The Apostle Paul in speaking of the time when God's plan for mankind is complete, when death is destroyed and Christ's earthly reign comes to an end, has this to say. "Now when all things are made subject to him, (The Father) then the SON HIMSELF WILL BE SUBJECTED TO HIM who put all things under him, that God may be all in all."

Christ was sent here to atone for our sins so that we could one day return to live with our Heavenly Father and our Savior Jesus Christ. Heavenly Fathers plan is central to our being here.

Those advocating the trinity have used the words of the Apostle where he calls God "our savior" (1st Timothy 1:1) as another proof for Christ's deity. While Jesus Christ carried out the role of savior, Heavenly Father is ultimately our savior because he designed the plan that made it possible for us- the human race to return to him.Thats why he sent his Son, and all things are by the Father through the Son of God... "We have seen and do testify that the Father sent the son to be the savior of the world." (1st John 4:14)

There are numerous scriptures that show the trinity doctrine to be false. Here are more words from our Savior on the matter.... "Of that day and hour knoweth no man, no not angels, neither the Son, but my Father only." (Mark 13:32) "I send the promise of my Father upon you." (Luke 24:49) "I am come in my Father's name." (John 5:43) "Whatsoever I speak, therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:50)

I believe without a shadow of a doub in God, the Eternal Father. He is my Father, the Father of my spirit, and the Father of the spirits of all men. He is the great Creator, the Ruler of the universe. He directed the Creation of this earth on which we live. In His image man was created. He is personal. He is real. He is individual. He “has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s” (D&C 130:22).

In the account of the Creation of the earth, “God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness” (Gen. 1:26).

Could any language be more direct and explicit in the meaning? Does it demean God, as some would have us believe, that man was created in His express image? instead, I believe it should stir within the hearts of all of us a greater appreciation for ourselves as a sons or daughters of God. Paul’s words to the Corinthian Saints are as applicable to us today as they were to those to he wrote to. He Said:

“Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

“If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are” (1 Cor. 3:16–17).

Some people will say “Why don’t you stay with the doctrine of the Bible which says in John 4:24, ‘God is a Spirit’?”

So to this I say lets open the Bible and see the verse they had quoted and read the entire verse: “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”

My response would be ff course God is a spirit, and so are you, in the combination of spirit and body that makes of you a living being, and so am I.

Each of us is a dual being of spiritual entity and physical entity. Everyone knows the reality of death when the body dies, and we also knows that the spirit lives on as an individual entity and that at some time, under the divine plan made possible by the sacrifice of the Son of God, there will be a coming together of our spirit and our body. Jesus’ declaration that God is a spirit no more denies that he has a body than does the statement that I am a spirit while also having a body.

I DO NOT think my body is anywhere near equal with His in its refinement, in its capacity, in its beauty. His is eternal. Mine is mortal. But that only increases my love and reverance for Him.

I worship Him my Father in Heaven “in spirit and in truth.” I look to my Heavenly Father as my strength. I pray to Him for wisdom beyond my own. I seek to love Him with all my heart, might, mind, and strength.There are many times I find myself pleading with Heavenly Father for his comfort and direction. His wisdom is greater than the wisdom of all men. His power is greater than the power of nature, for He is the Creator. His love is greater than the love of any other, for His love encompasses all of His children, and it is His work and His glory thay will bring immortality and eternal life of His sons and daughters of all generations (see Moses 1:39).

He “so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life” (John 3:16).

This is the Almighty God of who we all stand in awe and reverence over. It is my Heavenly Father who I look at in fear and trembling. It is Him who I worship and who I give honor and praise and glory. He is my Heavenly Father, who has invited me to come unto Him in prayer, to speak with Him, with the promised assurance that He will hear and respond.

I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the eternal, living God. I believe in Him as the Firstborn of the Father and the Only Begotten of the Father in the flesh. I believe in Him as an individual, separate and distinct from His Father. I believe in the declaration of John, who opened his gospel with this majestic word:

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

“The same was in the beginning with God. …

“And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth” (John 1:1–2, 14).

I believe that He was born of Mary as the promised Messiah, that He was in very deed begotten of the Father, and that in His birth was the fulfillment of the great prophetic declaration of Isaiah:

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace” (Isa. 9:6).

I believe that in His mortal life He was the one perfect man to walk the earth. I believe that in His words are to be found that light and truth which, if observed, would save the world and bring exaltation and happiness to all of mankind.

I believe in the Holy Ghost as a personage of spirit who occupies a place with the Father and the Son, these three composing the divine Godhead.

The importance of that place is made clear from the words of the Lord, who said:

“All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

“And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come” (Matt. 12:31–32).

That the Holy Ghost was recognized in ancient times as a member of the Godhead is evident from the conversation between Peter and Ananias when the latter held back a part of the price received from the sale of a piece of land.

“But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost … ?

“Thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God” (Acts 5:3–4).

The Holy Ghost stands as the third member of the Godhead, the Comforter promised by the Savior who would teach His followers all things and bring all things to their remembrance, whatsoever He had said unto them (see John 14:26).

The Holy Ghost is the Testifier of Truth, who can teach men things they cannot teach one another. I believe this power, this gift, is available to us today.

I believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.

I was baptized in the name of these three. I was also married in the name of these three. I have no question concerning their reality and their individuality. That individuality was made apparent when Jesus was baptized by John in Jordan.

There in the water stood the Son of God. His Father’s voice was heard declaring His divine sonship, and the Holy Ghost was manifest in the form of a dove (see Matt. 3:16–17).

I am aware that Jesus said that they who had seen Him had seen the Father (see John 14:9). Could not the same be said by many a son who resembles his parent?

When Jesus prayed to the Father, certainly He was not praying to Himself!They are distinct beings, but they are one in purpose and effort. They are united as one in bringing the grand, divine plan for the salvation and exaltation of the children of God.

In His great, moving prayer in the garden before His betrayal, Christ pleaded with His Father concerning the Apostles, whom He loved, saying:

“Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

“That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us” (John 17:20–21).

It is that perfect unity among the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost that binds these three into the oneness of the divine Godhead.

Miracle of miracles and wonder of wonders, they are interested in us, and we are the substance of their great concern. They are available to each of us. We approach the Father through the Son. He is our intercessor at the throne of God. How marvelous it is that we may so speak to the Father in the name of the Son.

I know those things to be true and right and I do so by the gift and power of the Holy Ghost that has been given to me. My love of the Gospel is so huge. Again, i do not wish to tell others what to believe, I only want them to truly look at what they believe through sincere prayer and find out if it is true and to ask questions. The gospel is not complicated, neither are the answers to our questions that we have.

Search, Ponder and Pray.